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- CommentAuthorTatlin
- CommentTimeNov 7th 2005
# 1
http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=1231684&page=1 />
I'd make it an article but it's three pages long.

Really, this is quite idiotic :roll:

Now, go forth and discuss
- CommentAuthortakai
- CommentTimeNov 7th 2005
# 2
Man, I just wrote a whole response and then Firefox crashed on me.

Homeschooling, typical. I think it's a big problem and needs more restrictions to be honest. What you decide to believe is one thing, but when the girls are raised in a world told to them by their Nazi parents they're pretty much locked into a pre-determined raciest life. If you believe in conserving race, you're ignorant, but alright. Just put your kids in public schools - or at very least some kind of objective open-minded environment. Their childhood will set the path for what they believe the rest of their life. I think exposing them to different cultures and objective information is more important than anything.

The mother and other white supremacists are using the girls to get their message out, and it's working. The idea of using a Mary Kate & Ashley image to spread racist hate is kind of like the Joe Camel cigarette campaigns in the early 90's. Well, I'm sure even if the girls doubted their own racist motivations they would continue to pursue the career as neo nazi spokes people. They probably feel obligated to live up to their parents, friends, and supporters expectations.. And will continue to do so as they mature.

So now they're moving to the Pacific Northwest in hopes of a pure white community. It's true, I live in Oregon and there isn't a lot of racial diversity here. Infact, a town in Eastern Oregon had a huge KKK meeting several months ago.. Yet cities around here like Portland and Seattle are some of the most culturally diverse cities in the US.

It's sad though.. But hey, if parents let their kids listen to racist music then the kids were probably already screwed to begin with.
- CommentAuthorGary
- CommentTimeNov 8th 2005
# 3
yea i read about them on a thing called drudge report, its something my dad reads. no its not a nazi column it is just a news column on the internet.

yea thats pretty sick tho how they only helped the white victims of the hurricane incidents, but its funny that most of the victims turned them down and they had to dump their supplies onto another charity that would pass them out. lol thats a slap in the face

and comparing them to mary kate and ashley is obsurd. i cant believe they think themselves to be in that same category...
- CommentAuthoriem
- CommentTimeNov 8th 2005
# 4
They're misguided and their parents are misguided.
- CommentAuthorDurrendel
- CommentTimeNov 10th 2005
# 5
of course they are... but wether you believe it or not who you are raised with (parents, grand parents, aunt, uncle, whoever) influences you a ton on your political views, religion, morals, etc....

so if from birth your taught to hate anyone who isnt white, then youll hate em
- CommentAuthorChris Ace
- CommentTimeNov 10th 2005
# 6
Honestly, and I may get some hate for this, and this is an opinion NOT based on having heard their lyrics (because I haven't), BUT, if what I read is true, and they're singing songs that empower the white race (as opposed to something along the lines of "kill all niggers"), I'm not sure I see the problem. What's wrong with being proud of being white? Black people are proud to be black. Asian people have Asian pride. Just take a look at BSF. She never shuts the fuck up about being Mexican. Why is it that the second a white person takes pride in his race, he's immediatly stammped racist?
- CommentAuthortakai
- CommentTimeNov 10th 2005
# 7
I see where you're going with that Ash.. I agree that it's good for people to be proud of their heritage, but there's a fine line between racially proud and supremist... Believing their better than someone else based on their race.

I think being proud to be black is a little different, more or less being proud of their roots. Being proud to be white doesn't have a lot tied to it.. You're proud to be white because.. White people came over and killed Indians, enslaved blacks, forming America? I don't know..

Taking a look at the girls lyrics though, a lot of it is in German, but they're singing about painting the world white and Hitler is their lord..
- CommentAuthoriem
- CommentTimeNov 21st 2005
# 8
bumpity bump

we've seen where white pride leads and it's not a nice place. that's why.

also i disagree with racial pride no matter what race, jftr.
- CommentAuthorBSF
- CommentTimeNov 21st 2005
# 9
ok...im really angry and in need of killing someone. Ok I absolutely hate racism and any form of racism and this, even though it not clear racism, is still racism. I dont see why racist people havent gotten the damn clue yet. I mean wtf you cant stop mixing. Its gonna happnen its happened and will keep happening. Get over, America = free country hahah losers...
- CommentAuthorChris Ace
- CommentTimeNov 21st 2005
# 10
They're racist because they're proud to be white.

You're proud to be Mexican. Are you racist?
- CommentAuthorBSF
- CommentTimeNov 22nd 2005
# 11
then i might as well be :D

its clear that they are sooooo racists
- CommentAuthorChris Ace
- CommentTimeNov 22nd 2005
# 12
You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction.
You call me "Cracker", "Honkey", "Whitey" and even "The Man" and you think it's OK.
But when I call you, "Nigger", "Kike", "Towelhead", "Sand-Nigger", "Camel Jockey", "Beaner" or "Chink" you call me a racist.

You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you, so why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live

You have the United Negro College Fund.
You have Martin Luther King Day.
You have Cesar Chavez Day.
You have Yom Hashoah
You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi
You have the NAACP.
You have BET.

If we had WET we'd be racists.

If we had a White Pride Day you would call us racists.

If we had white history month, we'd be racists.

If we had an organization for only whites to "advance" our lives, we'd be racists.

If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships, you know we'd be racists.

In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights.
If we marched for our race and rights, you would call us racists.

You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're not afraid to announce it.
But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.

You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us.
But, when a white police officer shoots a black gang member or beats up a black drug-dealer running from the law and posing a threat to society, you call him a racist.

I am white.
I am proud.

But, you call me a racist.
Why is it that only whites can be racists?
- CommentAuthortakai
- CommentTimeNov 22nd 2005
# 13
There is 2 definitions for racism.
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Any kind of racism is bad in my book. Ash, all of the things you listed (BET, UNCF, etc) ARE racist... But at the same time, they are organizations trying to make the world more equal. A lot of it roots from the idea that slavery, even after it was ended, left African-Americans econoically and socially at the bottom.. So they are trying to promote "black culture" to prevent discrimination (they're discriminating other races in the process though). Also perhaps, a way to help different races succeed in America since it is dominated by white ideals.

Ash, are you proud of the color of your skin, or proud of your ancestry?
- CommentAuthorChris Ace
- CommentTimeNov 22nd 2005
# 14
I'm not proud of either. And neither should anyone else be. It's not my intent to promote pride in one's race, though I can see that's what it looks like. No one should have pride in their race, except in that they are a part of the human race.
- CommentAuthorGary
- CommentTimeNov 22nd 2005
# 15
well one reason they are considered racist is that the were wearing matching t-shirts with hitlers face on it saying "mein fuhrer"

another reason is that during hurricane kartina they volunteered to help people who have lost their homes and families...the WHITE people. if thats not racist i dont know what is.

but all in all i see where you are coming from Ash....alot of people start complaining when a white person starts shouting white power but ignore the fact that there are black people shouting black power.

its the same with gay people too...there are gay foundations all over the world to suport only gays, but i guarentte you if we made a straight foundation for only straight people, we would make headline news as prejudice bastards.

it is like this all over the world...gays, whites, blacks.....rez, but eventually u will come to a point and start thinking what i think.....fuck it
- CommentAuthorChris Ace
- CommentTimeNov 22nd 2005
# 16
another reason is that during hurricane kartina they volunteered to help people who have lost their homes and families...the WHITE people. if thats not racist i dont know what is.[/quote:3e784b390e]

You mean, much like the UNCF, or the NAACP?
- CommentAuthorKuro
- CommentTimeNov 23rd 2005
# 17
Being proud of something you achieved is good, being proud of something you were simply born as/with is complete shit.
- CommentAuthorGary
- CommentTimeNov 24th 2005
# 18
thats exactly what i mean ash
- CommentAuthorChris Ace
- CommentTimeNov 25th 2005
# 19
So it's unacceptable to support whites out of New Orleans, but perfectly ok to help only blacks into college?
- CommentAuthorGary
- CommentTimeNov 25th 2005
# 20
no ash it completely and entirely unacceptabl to refuse to hep a family that has starving children and family members with medical problems, just b/c of the color of their skin.

refusing to help an adult into college is one thing, refusing to help a starving child is completely sick and demented
- CommentAuthorChris Ace
- CommentTimeNov 25th 2005
# 21
So it's ok to be racist if you're black, but not if you're white.

I get it.
- CommentAuthorGary
- CommentTimeNov 26th 2005
# 22
its not about helping some1 based on the color of their skin. now it comes down to sitting by and watchin a helpless child starve to death i mean how demented can you be to not help a child regardless of their race. an adult can fend for themselves but a child needs love and care. for god's sake, that is somebody's baby
- CommentAuthorChris Ace
- CommentTimeNov 26th 2005
# 23
Had a famous black person refused to help white people, would you still be saying that? Probably not, though I'm sure you're going to tell me you would. You wouldn't even have noticed, because it wouldn't have made the news, because black people are allowed to be as racist as they want.
- CommentAuthorGary
- CommentTimeNov 26th 2005
# 24
actually to be honest i didnt even notice that this whole young singers spread racist hate stuff until my dad pulled it up online, that proves that i dont pay attention to it no matter what the race lol. my attention span, as it is, is not a racist. so in rebutile to ur agrument ill restate what i said before...eventually you will all think what i do, "fuck it"

but so that you dont think i am arguing with you, i know exacly what you are stating. people in america would completely ignore it if it were a black person. it's not politically correct to criticize the actions of a black person, thats wrong in my book, so ash we are on the same page for once.
- CommentAuthoriem
- CommentTimeDec 10th 2005
# 25
a lot of wn stuff[/quote:959d3f6969]

when your race is discriminated against for 500 years one feels one is entitled to a little pride now that it's gained equality.
same with gays. you can't be all "omg we're not allowed to have straight pride parades". so fucking what? for 600 years from the middle ages onwards, gays weren't allowed to exist. for 500 years after the slave trade, blacks and asians were considered inferior. you can complain now, sure, but unless you consider the history you'll never understand why we do tolerate it. incidentally, with black people in america generally at the bottom of the socio-economic structure of the 'states, especially in the south, one feels they need all the help they can get.
ghettos are dangerous, yes. you know why they call them ghettos? you know the jews in poland were forced into ghettos? you realise that ghettos are hardly going to be the nicest places to live and hard to get out of? crime rates would be high regardless what race would be there, black people mainly live there owing to the historical standpoint (up to very, very recently in the us) that black people were inferior. the people in ghettos are desperately poor and mostly ignored by government so they turn to crime because there's no other real option. with a republican in power there never will be another real option, even with most democrats in power it wouldn't be very good. america has the wrong mindset in dealing with ghettos. they are places of social exclusion, and no matter how much money you throw at them they won't get better without proper application. bring the people living in ghettos above the poverty line, give them a good, well-funded public education, build healthcare facilities, provide a better, more multi-racial police force but for god's sake don't just chuck money at it, don't exclude them further, don't just say "oh, they're naturally like that" or, even worse, "it's their fault they're poor in the first place, we shouldn't help them".

i haven't written half of what i could but i can't be bothered to be quite honest so~

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