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Why vote if I don't like her? Because that's how you voice your opinion in a democracy[/quote:798c690800]
I completely and totally fail to see your reasoning behind this.
yes voting is how you voice your opinion, but why voice an opinion you dont even agree with? Vote 3rd party if you have to, voice whats true to you.
and yea, if she makes it to the presidential run off you will have the exact people u described doing exactly that
btw..... why dont u elect a woman president?
cuz shes nuke a country every month *rimshot*
When you work for someone, even if they pay you, you are still giving them the money back when you buy their products. [/quote:b12c09347c]
yes your right, but that is how economies work. People work to make money, taking money away from the company. then spend it on products, giving it back so either themself or someone else can work to make it back. There is no way around that.
As for the tax breaks, i believe they were pretty universal. Most the people i know got money back from the government this year.
I could just as easily say the same about democrats, Their all either poor people or their parents were. You also have to look at the fact that wether you think it or not your parents are usually the reason you think and act the way you do. For example if your parents were hardcore republicans or democrats you would most likely grow up the same. and if your father beat your mother and you hated him for it you would grow up and never hit a woman because he influinced you.
lower class revolution..... sounds like something one of them pinko commies would say..... you a commie takai?!?
That, as I believe I said before, is a very STUPID reason to vote for someone, and is exactly why I, and many others, are against seeing a woman run for office. That being, if you're not clear, is that people will vote for her simply because she is a woman, which is the absolute WRONG reason to vote for someone.[/quote:4176ba45c1]Well that is not the only reason why I would vote for her. I believe that she can be a strong leder for america. Ive seen her work..and imo i think its good. I strongly believe that she can run this country not only that but better than any other guy.
Think before you speak, please[/quote:9c8e1bb0ed] Thus implying that I don't think yet every word out of my mouth(or fingers rather) were though of. But your point is NOT valid because more people in this country thing about personal things like being a republican than about the country. Bush ONLY won the election because he was a southern Catholic. That,mon ami, is called politics. The reason is hollow for one because Bush CAN"T RUN AGAIN guenius, so maybe you should think before you speak. Bush served his two terms in 2008 which is what this discussion is about. So if you would only choose Hillary over Bush it's because you don't care who beats him you just have a personal vendetta against Bush, not so much politics as hate which I know influences politics but it's also what corrupts it. And we don't vote to get someone out just cause we don't like him we vote to get him out because he's doing a really bad job THAT HIS PREDECESSOR CAN DO BETTER. And like Gary said Hillary is power hungry(and may very well have a penis) so do you really thing a goverment under her will be better? She'll just try to pack the supreme court to get over the republicans like FDR tried to do. She wants complete control where as Bush doesn't even have control. Your point isn't valid because the whole case of wanting Bush out so you vote for Hillary is moot. Voting is always been about who is liked better thats how you WIN so if Hillary is liked better because she's a women than that means she is LIKED BETTER. If you look back in history JFK only won because he was the better smile. So yes it may not be the best reason to vote for someone but its the one that is most understood and used. And as such NONE of Bush's family may run for president next term because his daughters are too young still (and not to metion women cant legally hold the office of president so the whole debate over hillary is also moot) and his daddy already served as president and did bad enough to not get two terms so no one would want him back. In the end Ash you look dumber that you are, so stop acting like you know politics because I unlike you study politics. And don't pretend like you saved face with the pwned shit cause honestly thats like something Tatlin would do. This is a serious discusion so lets not acted like were little immature computer geeks and then acted like we understand politics. And really your not Republican you only said that to save face in the fact that I proved you reason hollow so next post you will also do the same thing because you hate to admit that I'm right. Ever. And Rez honestly man i don't think it would matter to you one bit who won cause America is just a Fallen Nation making right now Britain the leading world power. But you stated reasonable things to be honest seeing as you don't get mush american political news huh? I've already stated the things to prove your views right yet wrong. Now no one miss interpret this I am NOT defending Hillary or Bsf I was simply saying Ash was wrong on a view and defending what I said.
Now moving on to Gary's ridiculous claims. Your information that Saddam Backed the terrorists came from where exactly? A republican biased paper maybe? As for housing members of the Taliban TECHNICALLY so has the US so don't act to suprised by that one buddy. But as for the Bin Laden thing I agree that we can't catch him but attacking Iraq doesn't make it any different. If you wanted known terrorist Palestine would have been the country to go for back when Yasser Arafrat(sp?) was in charge and using the TALBAN to aid his goverment. So why Iraq? Because as Ash has said before Bush and probably more like the Bush administration had to prove that they weren't total fuck ups. And America IS bending over and taking it in the tailpipe in Iraq. And the comparison to Hiroshima isn't even appropriate. We were attacked by the JAPANESE MILITARY in the night at pearl harbor. 9/11 wasn't proven to be Iraq so it was more like if japan attacked and we decided to invade and drop bombs on vietnam. Close to japan, still oriental but not the ones at fault(also still prove "bad guys" because there communist"). And I don't disagree with Truman at all dropping the bombs worked and we can't go back to see if we could have stopped the war other ways. And well my argument is valid so uhhh...your gay.(im just kidding man i said this because of the fact that you said there was no valid argument) Now I fully expect everyone to say something to make themselves appear smarter but really most of you don't know shit about this subject beyond what the paper tells you. You don't analyze the news you read it and belive it. By that views you would have seen the "attack on the us ships in Israel" as face value and not gotten the fact that a set-up missile laucher doesn't miss an amphibious landing cruiser by flying over the bow. If the target was the ship first of all the shot wouldn't have been at the bow would it? No it wouldn't make a dent in it( the ship is made to withstand the attack) but then the article said a US warehouse was hit as an after thought. Now through analasis you can see that the warehouse and not the ship was the target and then they said two more missiles were fired but also missed. The two missiles went the opposite was and ALMOST hit a van with a Quate(sp?) licence plate. Now were the missiles really aimed at the ships going the opposite way? No. But now I'm off topic my points are proven but of course this debate will go on because you all have to save face at the fact that by proving you wrong I made you look stupid and of course all of you will over look the compliments. How cliche.
You can't judge the validity of something by a person's opinion on a complete other matter[/quote:dc04f2decb]
Yet you yourself did just that. So that proves my point so don't get all bitchy(which you will anyway) becasue I pointed out you were doing what you acussed me of doing. On top of it your only voting for Hillary because she isn't Bush is also just as "STUPID" a reason to vote for someone because you didn't look to see if she was even better than Bush was, so you could be replacing him with someone far worse(this is all hypothetical btw) thus very stupid indeed. As I recall you started hating Bush about the time he cracked down on the FCC and I DON"T recall you supporting him the first time because as I recall we didn't discuss politics back in 8th grade.(don't take that the wrong way that could just be my memory of 8th grade its all a little funny, too much alcohol?) Yet you still seem to be unable to admit I might ever be right...why is that?
And who the fuck is Ggsuperfan? Uhhh that's great kid? Your views are at least not sexist or just as bad. But really I don't have much to say to you but disagree with your opinion with my own opinion. Hilary is too power hungry like I belive Gary said.
Back to Garyi fail to see how America is taking it up the tailpipe[/quote:dc04f2decb]
Well you might but I don't so I'll explain. Bush gets hit with 9/11, ok not his fault he acts ok all good and then he invades Iraq ok they refused to give up known terrorists ok. But then we stayed and took on the responcability of THREE goverments(yes three we are also running Afganastan's goverment for them too) when we can barley run ours(and don't say I'm wrong there wouldn't be so much corruption if I wasn't) and then BRAC decides to close almost every east coast base. Why? Because the Bush admin believes the threat is North Korea and thus moved are troops either to Iraq or out west. So then we are practicly defenceless on the eastern side of the us. Then Katrina hits and Bush steps in with his admin and takes charge then admits that it wasn't good enough yet it was his group doing it. So really if the president orders something to happen and oversees it himself then claims that it isn't good enough it makes the country look weak. On top of that Bush has declined all aid from other nations but asked Congress to let him spend $56 Billion on the costs to repair and rebuild New Orleans putting the U.S. in so much more debt that we are no longer abole to come up with plans to get out of this defacite. So obviously the country is running fine right mister adult?
And again 9/11 is NOTHING LIKE HIROSHIMA because Hiroshima was acted firstly by an entire nations military, we also provoked it if you read your history we froze japan's accets first. And then to add on top of it we attacked the ones guilty not the ones hiding the ones guilty. Its like Vietnam was in suspiction of helping and we attacked them still like I said oriental but not the target then to top it off we would then invade Korea because there a threat but still not the bad guys. We would then set up a new goverment in both places yet still haven't attacked Japan the cause and supporter of the attack. Now look at the world and which goverment was using terrorists at the time? Iraq? Nope. Afganastan? Nope. Palistine? Yep. So then to be like Hiroshima we would have attacked Palistine not Iraq. So don't compair 9/11 to Pearl Harbor because Pearl Harbor was an attack BACK where as 9/11 was unprevoked and the situations arn't the same close but not quite. So close from being not a compltet idiot but then even a broken clock is right two times a day. And like I said earlier if you want to discuss politics like civilized people(you know the only kind that have politics) then don't act like an eleven year old and say pwned and then attempt to insult me because I'm only 17. So sue me. Your still the one who is over 18 playing online games and saying pwned in a political discusion...ironic.